Virgogirl, first welcome to the forum. Second, my 85 year old mother is one of them, she clings to it because she has invested so heavily in it. She told me recently though if her father was still alive he would have left the org. She just figures at this point in her life what can she do.
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"This just can't last much longer...."
by BrendaCloutier ini went over and visited my parents today.
my mom broke her hip while we were in hawaii, and i've been mostly house/bed ridden myself since we got home.
so i finally got over there today.. we talked a little about the hurricane, which was on the news she turned off.
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Question for Defd
by gringojj in.
defd we were talking earlier and i didnt want to hijack the other post.
we were talking about how i believe it is unfair for god to murder his children even though it is his fault that they dont follow his wishes not because they dont want to but because he did not make his wishes clear.. you said that his wishes are clear, but the devil distorts them.. you promised me you would provide me with some examples.
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Big Dog
Cool, it appears reports of Defd's demise were greatly exaggerated! Hang in there Derrick.
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Is there anything that "only the JW's preach" you still believe in?
by JH in.
i don't know what to answer to my own question.... i guess that i still believe in a paradise earth where humans could live forever.
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No, if there is anything to christianity, certainly none of their exclusive teachings make any sense to me at all.
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The "Stella" Awards
by Scully ini would have posted this in jokes & humour if they weren't actual awards.. things that make you say what the hell were they thinking?
sometimes these are so outrageous they are hard to believe.
enjoy..... .
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The thing is, with some of these cases, when the papers and news report it they leave out some key elements that just totally make it seem bizarre. The McDonalds case for instance, my understanding is that the reason that case went that way was that the counsel for McDonalds was just a jackass, insulted the jury multiple times, basically telling them they were a bunch of dumbasses, etc. Also, McDonalds knew the coffee was at a temperature that was way above what other restaurants used and could cause severe burns in a much shorter time and in greater severity than one would expect and had settled cases like the Stella case in the past, paying for the medical bills, but this time decided to play hardball.
So all that went into the jury saying fine, you want to be the corporate giant and call us dumb a-holes, well, we'll fix you and they did. Of course the news and the papers usually don't add those sorts of facts to their reporting as it dilutes the shock factor.
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Question for Defd
by gringojj in.
defd we were talking earlier and i didnt want to hijack the other post.
we were talking about how i believe it is unfair for god to murder his children even though it is his fault that they dont follow his wishes not because they dont want to but because he did not make his wishes clear.. you said that his wishes are clear, but the devil distorts them.. you promised me you would provide me with some examples.
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Oh man, I'm out of the office for a couple of hours and Defd bails? That sucks, I thought we were starting to get through to him. I bet he comes back.
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The "Stella" Awards
by Scully ini would have posted this in jokes & humour if they weren't actual awards.. things that make you say what the hell were they thinking?
sometimes these are so outrageous they are hard to believe.
enjoy..... .
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Big Dog
LMAO! Unreal.
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Explain monogamy to me
by joelbear in.
my preferred social construct would be a group of 5 to 10 men sharing space, chores, well everything.. if i were heterosexual i think i would prefer the same situation, 2 or 3 families living together and sharing all.. actually i believe this should be a worldwide goal, total community in every sense of the word.. i see no advantage served by social and sexual diads.. please explain it to me.
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I think Penn & Teller did a show on this, about the "traditional" family structure being a recent construct.
I don't think most people would be able to handle a situation like you describe Joel, it seems most like being exclusive to another person.
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I have alot of questions
by MrsBee inmy husband is a d'fed jw and i think he is gonna try and make his way back there .
they dont believe in fate?
(long story short, we were high school sweethearts, didnt see each other since xmas 1993 even though we lived in the same city then he ran into my mother xmas 2003, while i lived in charlotte and he was here in maryland, i moved back to maryland 3 weeks later and we were married 7 months after that- i believe in fate, i dont think its far fetched to believe that god has a plan for everyone).
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Big Dog
I've seen it work, my sister is a dub and her husband isn't and never was and they have been married and pretty happy for 25 years. From what I have seen in their case the key was my brother-in-law laid down the ground rules right from the get go. He would not interfere with her worship in any way, but he didn't want to be preached to, by her or anyone from the hall and he was not going to change what he did, ie. christmas etc. They don't have any kids and that probably made it easier, but on a positive note, it can be done, my advice is just lay down the rules right from the beginning in a loving but firm way.
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Question for Defd
by gringojj in.
defd we were talking earlier and i didnt want to hijack the other post.
we were talking about how i believe it is unfair for god to murder his children even though it is his fault that they dont follow his wishes not because they dont want to but because he did not make his wishes clear.. you said that his wishes are clear, but the devil distorts them.. you promised me you would provide me with some examples.
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I see this with my sister, any time we get into it and I start asking some hard questions, ones she for obvious reasons doesn't want to think about I see her start with the typical objections: These issues are irrelevent, this is just argumentive, its not going anywhere, and the one that makes me the saddest, I don't need to address this stuff, I know what I believe.
Sometimes I feel like a thug, I mean, I can watch it in her face, its right there to see, an almost physical anxiety and panic that grips her when she starts being herded someplace she doesn't want to go.
Defd, I understand man, being asked hard questions is no fun, and that's not just limited to matters of religion. Ask a pregnant mother about what they will do if they find out their fetus is suffering from some dread disease and you will get the same reaction, its just not someplace they want to go if they don't have to.
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Question for Defd
by gringojj in.
defd we were talking earlier and i didnt want to hijack the other post.
we were talking about how i believe it is unfair for god to murder his children even though it is his fault that they dont follow his wishes not because they dont want to but because he did not make his wishes clear.. you said that his wishes are clear, but the devil distorts them.. you promised me you would provide me with some examples.
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Derrick, I think you need to try and understand where a lot of people here are coming from. Many of us were raised as JW's, you weren't, you were raised Catholic, you have no idea what it was like to be the only kid in school that didn't do the pledge, or was exclueded from all the parties, sports, etc. Many of us, me included feel like our childhood was taken from us for no good reason. Yeah, that hurts, that produces some bitterness.
Many others like you got involved as adults, and conformed their whole lives to what the FDS via the Watchtower, Awake, and platform told them was the right thing, only in their minds to find out later on that they had been lied to, or they shunned or are being shunned by their loved ones, etc. That too produces some deep pain and bitterness.
You haven't been on the recieving end of any of the above so you need to think about it and have some empathy for the folks that have. The people here by and large are not cry babies in my opinion, but people that have been hurt, some very deeply and others that are just plain p.o.'d over what they percieve as having been lied too, and its perfectly okay for them to feel that way, you need to respect that.